Liz Marshall and Jo-Anne Mcarthur are minds behind "The Ghosts In Our Machine", a look at the invisible role that animals other than humans are caught up in the gears, sometimes litterally of modern lifestyles.
With that interview being a bit longer than normal, rather than rush, we break it into two parts, with Kevin Farmer joining Daryn on a variety of news items, including a message for Joe Oliver from Kevin and much more!
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