Ufological commentator Paul Kimball and Cyberpunk guru Mac Tonnies talk about problems with Ufology and how the field might be headed (or guided) into a new phase. Topics: Believers vs. non-believers, Cryptoterrestrials, the Face on Mars (more in notes)
Copyright Greg Bishop, Paul Kimball, Mac Tonnies 2006
(Other topics) Kimball's uncle Stan Friedman, William S. Burroughs and UFOs, etc.