Author & resilience barnstormer Carolyn Baker takes us into the American shadow - and tools to cope with our own dark side. Then scientist& author Naomi Oreskes on the future if Trump wins and we all do nothing about climate change. She calls it the track to extinction.
Carolyn Baker interview by Alex Smith of Radio Ecoshock
Naomi Oreskes interview courtesy of Francesca Rheannon of Writers Voice writersvoice.net
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